well, now as you look ahead to 2016, you chose him over hillary clinton. do you think that she will be a fresh voice in 2016 in a way that she wasn't in 2008? >> well, i think i have the utmost respect for former secretary clinton with whom i worked closely as the secretary of homeland security, and i think we're all awaiting her decision as to whether she's actually going to be a candidate. >> but would she be a fresh voice in 2016? >> i think she would be, because she's had a lot of unique and different experiences than perhaps she had then. >> former secretary napolitano, thank you very much. have a good year with your work. >> thank you very much. >>> i want to talk about what's happened on the program here today, and chuck todd, you were sing he would out by gene sperling on this broader question of obamacare. it's similar to where we started the program. he's saying, we do want to talk about obamacare. we're going to own it this year. do you think that's true? >> i think the administration is hoping they will get there, but they have senate democrats